The.460 Weatherby Magnum cartridge may be loaded to perform similarly to the.45-70 Government and the.450 Rigby. A Heym Model 89B in .470 Nitro Express, on safari. Home News Random Article Ammo is readily available, but the price is not for the economically challenged. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The less recoil, the more accurate the shooter, and hence, the more effective the cartridge. The result was that no rifle/round combination I know of has a better reputation than a .416 Rigby. The .375 Weatherby has a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps with the 300-grain bullets, but that most definitely comes with additional recoil. Jake T., glad you enjoyed the article! His published books include "Custom Rifles: Mastery of Wood & Metal," and "Modern Custom Guns, 2nd Edition," both available at GunDigestStore.com. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. An 8mm Remington Magnum case necked up to .416, this cartridge duplicates the .416 Rigby made famous by African PH, Harry Selby. So swallow that lump in your throat and keep reading. Therefore, the .458 Lott Ammo is versatile because it works well for hunting small to medium games and is also a perfect fit when youre hunting dangerous games like the African Buffalo and Alaskan brown bear. Rifle Is for sale, I am to old now to do much hunting. One was a Weatherby in .460, the other one a Winchester in .458. Some hunting reports for Takeri Reserve Zambia posted by members of AfricaHunting.com: You must log in or register to reply here. The powder Winchester had selectedit clumped inside the case in hot weather. 460 HEAVY EXPRESS MAGNUM. Whether it's the buffalo, elephant and hippo of Africa, Australia's banteng and water buffalo, or the giant brown bears of the north, a worthy cartridge is like a good insurance policy. Recoil calculations were based on a ten pound, scoped bolt-action rifle (10.5 lbs. John Rigby & Co. released the .450 Nitro Express in 1898, to improve the performance of the old .450 Black Powder Express by using modern, smokeless powder. .458 Lott. Glad you enjoyed reading my article as much as I enjoyed writing it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It is imperative that you shoot your big bore rifle accurately and without a flinch, so it's one of those situations where being honest with yourself will result in a happier and safer hunting experience. Compatible with HK MP5 models and variants, Zenith/MKE Z5-series models, as well as Dakota Tactical, POF, and Omega models chambered in 9mm. Mag. 6 mm norma br. With the new case capacity, the .458 Lott could drive a 500-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps and 2570 foot-pounds energy. A switch to temperature stable powder in the 70s, made the .458 Win. 460 JURRAS. Most experts agree BCs around .400, or larger, make bullets fly flatter and drift less in cross-winds. Now lets get into it. 460 Weatherby Magnum 470 Caliber: 470 Nitro Express 475 Caliber: 475/416 Rigby Improved 500 Caliber: 500 Jeffery 505 Gibbs 500 A-Square 585 Caliber: 577 Nitro Express 3 Inch 577 Tyrannosaur 585 Nyati 600 Caliber: 600 Nitro Express . Lott became convinced Winchesters cartridge needed more velocity. Now, we're getting into the realm of the true stopping rifles. Pushing 400-grain bullets at 2,700 fps, it generates energy levels in excess of 6,600 ft-lbs. McCaa on Why Dangerous Game G. It won this test by a wide margin because it delivers tremendous power a useful distance with tolerable recoil. It is about as much gun as I care to shoot from the bench, however in the penultimate moment during a hunt, the recoil seems to vanish. WTK .416 weatherby vs. .460 weatherby The Art of the Rifle: General . Mag. It is based on the . It, along with the .375, is a great choice for Alaskan bear hunting where shots are sometimes on the long side, and it is a better choice if you have to dive into the alders after a wounded bear. 458 Winchester magnum; 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Munitions C02 et air soft; Munitions paintball; Munitions de dfense. Edit Product. A-Frame (.361 BC/.341 SD) at 2100 fps. While Robert Ruark made the .416 Rigby famous in the hands of Harry Selby in his "Horn of the Hunter," it was the .404 Jeffery that did the lion's share of the work in the hands of numerous Game Departments across Africa. Quantity on Hand: 1. That bullet passed through its paunch, took the top of the heart, and was recoverd under its jawbone. Finally, Rigby got the ammo firm of Kynoch to make good bullets for it. It still has an MPBR just beyond 200 yards and a 175 yard dangerous game effective range. When introduced in the mid-1950s, the .458 Winchester Magnum held much promise. Heralded by famous hunters like John 'Pondoro' Taylor and Col. Jim Corbett, its reputation is well-founded. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. At first deemed over-kill, dangerous game hunters have warmed to this beast. It's a Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker. presumably philip in china would expect his elephant to fall over dead on the spot if he shot it in the butt with a .460 !! Save my name and email to use for future comments. In addition, a fledgling business of outfitting and guiding foreign hunters in pursuit of these animals was developing, primarily in Kenya, but spreading throughout the continent. Many African PHs and Alaskan guides would rather you show up in camp with the .375 you can drive tacks with than the .505 Gibbs which gives you the shakes. Secure Online Ordering (No Reviews) Free Shipping! I took one to Zambia, and slew a buffalo, and a hippo, and all manner of other game, and had no problems with it whatsoever, but the impression I have is that its lost a lot of its popularity to other cartridges. Ive known only one PH who used it, and he had to replace cracked stocks twice a season.). At the time, the .458 Win. In the days when the sun never set on the British Empire, the colonization of vast areas on the African continent and most all of India resulted in a requirement for heavy caliber, powerful rifles and ammunition to protect the homesteads from large and often dangerous animals. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Kills on one end and wounds on the other. The.460 Weatherby Magnum requires a large propellant capacity in order to propel a 500 gr (32 g) bullet at 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s). It is claimed that the new 458 Lott is an improvement over the 458 Winchester Magnum since its higher velocity supposedly results in more lethal impact-effect and deeper penetration. . The gun weighed around 11 pounds and had a mercury recoil reducer and a generous rubber butt pad. The added powder capacity, as well as advances in powder technology, made achieving Winchester's goal with the Win Mag round easily achievable. Barnes Vor-TX Safari ammo in .458 Lott. Awesome article! Nov 13, 2007. Hello, a friend is selling a 460 Weatherby Magnum, as you know I have a 458 Lott and I am tempted to sell my Ceska and buy the 460 Weatherby. Also the 270 or 300 grain bullets in the 375 have a lot less recoil than the 500 to 550 grain bullets. With few exceptions there was but one source of the necessary ammunition, and that was the UK firm called Kynoch. The .416 Remington debuted in 1989, and is based on the 8mm Remington magnum cartridge. Few, if any, cartridges are as versatile as the .375 H&H. .375 H&H Cartridges. 407 / 474. and have shot friends 416 Rigby,458 WM,458 Lott,45-70,45-110. The group includes the big cats, the big bears, Cape buffalo, elephants, and the like. SKU : ATIK5R3006. As a general rule, more than 15 ft-lbsf is considered enough recoil to affect most shooters accuracy. I chose a .375 Holland & Holland Magnum decades ago. Far too much emphasis is placed on bullet diameter and not enough on velocity as well as penetration. The .458 Lott is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the .458 Winchester Magnum (62,500psi vs 60,000psi). Its interesting to note that I have seen films of elephants shot on herd culling operations with nothing more than the .308 with a full metal jacketed 150 grain bullet dropped elephants dead in their tracks one after the other. [1] For faster navigation, this Iframe is preloading the Wikiwand page for .458 Lott. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. The .458 Lott was designed to be an African dangerous game rifle cartridge particularly for use against heavy, thick-skinned dangerous game such as elephant, Cape buffalo and rhinoceros. If I found a .416 Rem. Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. at 2700 f.p.s. The .416 Remington Magnum is the ballistic twin of the older .416 Rigby, driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,400 fps. I have taken several cape buffalo and an elephant with the .458 and found it to be very much up to the task. The 460 moves 450- to 600-grain .458" bullets much faster than any other commercial rifle; or, when loaded down, moves them at a somewhat reduced speed at significantly lower pressure. 286 gr. A rimmed, straight-walled cartridge, the .405 was introduced in the Model 1895 Winchester, though the Ruger No. This incident made him believe that ammo more powerful than the 458 Winchester ammo he was hunting with was vital for dangerous games. 505 Gibbs Load Data 18" Barrel. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Its a special cartridge, housed in special guns, made for special, perhaps fear-filled, moments. PPU RNSP (L), Federal 260 gr. The.460 Weatherby Magnum was developed as an African hazardous game rifle cartridge for hunting large, thick-skinned dangerous species in Africa. Mag. Bullets from 235 grains to 350 grains are readily available, and the cartridge is extremely versatile. 400 gr. 535 gr. The .375 H&H is perhaps the most versatile rifle cartridge ever developed. It will handle the African elephant both Harry Manners and Wally Johnson used it to rack up some impressive totals and it may be just about perfect for lion and large brown bear. 460 ALLIANCE. And Im not alone in this opinion. The culprit? Federal Premium Cape-Shok ammo in .470 Nitro Express. Sliding up the scale to the .410/.411-inch bore diameter, we find a couple of choices. Because it gives you two aimed shots quicker than anything else. Jeffery & Co. in 1905 and nearly disappeared over time, but has been rediscovered. and monish watch out it looks like he wants to indulge in some suspect passtimes with you !! 300 gr. So at what point does more crunch become meaningless? levels. Weatherby also entered the .458 game in 1957, with their .460 Weatherby Magnum. By all means sell one and get the other. Released in 2000, the .450 Marlin was developed by Hornady to offer the ballistics of the hottest .45-70 loads, but in a belted cartridge that would feed easier than the rimmed .45-70. The increased performance is realized in terms of both remaining energy and extended range. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. When first introduced in the early 20th century, it fired 400 grain bullets at 2125 fps, which proved effective on elephant but with less recoil than the big-bore Nitro-Express rounds. The problem is the recoil becomes too much for many of us. in good nick for reasonable money, Id give it a try. It became an initial success, with PHs, wardens, wildlife managers and other professionals, along with the few visiting hunters venturing to that part of the world searching for elephant, buffalo, rhino, lions, tigers, etc., arming themselves with the new development. was listed 2130 f.p.s. Using a voluminous case to keep pressures low in the tropical heat, the modern loads for the Rigby will drive a 400-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2,400 fps, for over 5,000 foot-pounds of energy in modern loads. It uses a rebated rim (it needed to fit on a 98 Mauser bolt face), and kicks like the hammers of hell, but it stops things, all things, anywhere. What follows is a short list of cartridges that have proved, over timesometimes a great deal of timethat they can put an instant end to the careers of vary large, very angry wildlife that is about to do you in. Though the case is nearly identical (though not interchangeable) with the wildcat .416 Hoffman, the .416 Remington Magnum is the ballistic twin of the .416 Rigby, albeit at a higher pressure. For a hunter looking to expand his or her rifle collection, wanting a cartridge that will mate up well with a .300 Magnum, .30-06 or 7mm, I'd highly recommend the .375 H&H as the bigger version of the "all-around" cartridge. It must be remembered if the bullet does not each the vitals it does not matter how big a caliber you are using as it will fail to incapacitate the elephant or any other dangerous game animal. 458 Lott Load Data. Parent case: .378 Weatherby Magnum Case type: Belted, bottleneck. 280 Remington; 284 Win; 30 Carbine; 30 Nosler; 30 Rem AR; 30 Remington; 30 TC; 30-06; 30-30 Win; 30-378 Wby Mag; 30-40 Krag; 300 BLK; 300 H&H; 300 Norma Mag; 300 Pegasus; 300 PRC; 300 RCM; 300 Rem . But, that is not the case if the .460 was not a high speed magnum,. Loaded up a 112g Charge of Win 760, and 114g of H4350. Aero Precision M5E1 Complete Upper, 20" .308 Rifle Barrel, 15" Enhanced M-LOK Handguard, Anodized Black. Ive owned a number of them, and shot a lot of game with them, including four Cape buffalo, but for a dedicated dangerous-game rifle, from what Ive seen, I dont think it packs the pork. norma logotype. Few .458 Winchester rifles wore a barrel that long, and almost none attained that velocityat least in the first few decades of existence. A-Frame (.375 BC/.319 SD) at 2300 fps. reaches out almost as far as the .375 H&H, but it does have much more recoil. And I wonder what is truly worth the change?. While both cartridges can take virtually any type of large and dangerous game animal on the African continent, as well as grizzly and moose here in the U.S., the .375 H&H boasts a greater range of factory-loaded bullet weights. It's the next generation of large-bore suppressors and the first modular big-bore suppressor ever. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. A Montana Rifleman 1999 barreled action in 458 Win would be another fine choice, as the action is inherently an improved 70 action. Controlled expansion bullets, like this 300 grain .375 H&H Nosler Partition recovered from test media, are best for most dangerous game, except elephant. Driving a 400-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2,125 fps, the .450/400 3-inch immediately gained an excellent reputation, as it could be housed in a lightweight double rifle, offering low recoil and a quick second shot. Welcome to Danger Week. A-Frame (.285 BC/.300 SD) at 2275 fps. I have heard the recoil of the .378 Weatherby Magnum described as "soul crushing," and I'm not one to argue with that statement. I saw one video of a poacher that shot elephants with nothing more than the armor piercing 125 grain AK-47 7.6239 mm and the elephants fell down dead. The author analyzed the 9.3x62 Mauser, .375 H&H Magnum, .416 Remington Magnum, .404 Jeffery, .458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, and .505 Gibbs for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. It has the lowest recoil among dangerous game rounds. You are also right about the .375 being a great cartridge with a much flatter trajectory than the .458, but range and trajectory usually arent factors when hunting the type of game a .458 is used for. (L-R): .458 Win. 470 ACCURATE RELOADING. Q&A: Westley Richards L.D. But these critters deserve to be taken seriously. Bell who shot in excess of 1,000 elephants stated that the only cartridge he ever used that would always shoot right through an elephants head was his 6.5 mm with a 160 grain bullet. .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .458 Winchester Magnum, .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .600 Nitro Express. If I were going into the dangerous-game business today, and did not already have my .416 Remington, Id almost certainly get a .404. Jack Lott's experiences with the .458 Winchester Magnum in Mozambique in 1959 left him wanting more, as a Cape buffalo roughed him up a bit. 470 CAPSTICK. It was hard pressed to do it, so one Jack Lott reversed Winchester's case shortening back to the standard magnum length, enough room for enough powder to . Given their power, however, just the 9.3x62, .375 H&H, and perhaps the .416 Rem. While exquisite double rifles have been seen as the ultimate solution to this problem, most people, even those who can afford a two week hunt in Africa, most often choose a bolt-action, magazine fed rifle. Staff Alumnus . The exterior ballistics are virtually identical, and anything that can be said about the .375 H&H can be said about the .375 Ruger, minus the nostalgia. Enter gun writer Jack Lott who, while hunting Cape buffalo with a .458 in Mozambique in 1959, received a stomping from a bull that was unimpressed with the Winchester round. Rifles chambered for such exotic sounding names like .470 Nitro Express (NE), .475 #2 NE, .500 NE, and many others, along with the necessary ammunition, began showing up in both Africa and India. In 1992 I took a Lott to Zimbabwe and killed my best buffalo with it. It made the professional ivory hunters very happy, as well as the visiting sportsmen. The 45/70 uses a .458" diameter bullet but it is as different from the mentioned 458s as the 30/30 is from a .300 Win mag. I've used it to cleanly take Cape buffalo, with rather impressive results. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. If you reload then the 375 or 416 will do anything in the world you want it to from antelope to Cape Buffalo. I think too that cartridges like the .375 with their higher velocity shoot flatter as well and when one is hunting both dangerous and non-dangerous big game and especially when shooting at longer distances at non-dangerous game it is much easier to hit with the .375 because of its flatter trajectory. Thank you, Edward J. Palumbo. 300 gr. Mag. Midway USA. The 458 SOCOM cartridge fires a 0.458" bullet diameter which is more common than you might think as it is used by rounds such as the .45-70 Government, 458 Winchester Magnum, 450 Marlin, 460 Weatherby, and 458 Lott. 460 G & A No. . Greetings Oscar. Although, the .458 Win. Hornady Dangerous Game Series Superformance in .458 Winchester Magnum. The Jeff is my choice if I were after the biggest of the Big Five. All Rights Reserved. Especially ignore those who say that what matters is where you place the bullet. The volume requirements required to make it profitable just weren't there, so, they did what prudent businessmen do and ceased production on most of the cartridges. He didn't do Winchester any favors writing about his experience in the outdoor press. Read the loading books and you'll see that a 460 can easily be loaded to the level of performance of a 458 Lott. Description: wanted savage model 170 30/30 in good condition. Rifle Recoil Table. It also provides superior penetration, which makes it an excellent fit for hunting dangerous games. Into this mix especially for North American hunting we should include the .45-70 Government and the .450 Marlin Express. It has power, reach, and tolerable (for a dangerous game round) recoil. Needless to say it was a blast and a kick. The .416 Remington Magnum has become the most popular .416 because unlike the one which started it all, the .416 Rigby, it is the same length as the .375 H&H so more rifle makers offer a model chambered for it. The .470 NE, while no better or worse than the .450 NE (it offers a bigger frontal diameter, yet less Sectional Density), was put into production again in the late 1980s by Federal Premium, cementing its place as the most popular of the double rifle cartridges. Kicks hard, but still less than the .460. I have not yet released the 458 Lott because ammunition is very expensive. 416 Rigby or 458 win mag if I I had to chose one. 1 has been offered in .405 as well. 460 Weatherby Magnum Rated out of 5 based on 1 customer rating $ 209.00 - $ 219.00 Introduced in 1959. The .475 NE. The .460 Weatherby Magnum is a step up from the power of the .458 Lott and .450 Rigby. The name 28 Nosler refers to the first two digits in the caliber (0.284) of the bullets that the cartridge fires and the name of the company which . Compare that against 2 in a 460 magazine. 460 WEATHERBY MAGNUM. The .505 Gibbs has few peers for power. Head to Head Comparison.458 Lott . The .450/400 3" Nitro Express is a wonderful cartridge for single-shots and double rifles. With the A-Frame, all these rounds have an MPBR between 200 and 240 yards, which places them in the same trajectory envelop as the .30-30, .308, and .30-06. One point for every 10 yards beyond 150 yards for maximum effective range on non-dangerous, medium and large game, respectively, and one point deducted for every 10 yards less than 150 yards. of energy. It was designed to duplicate the ballistics of the .450 NE, .470 NE and other similar cartridges. Olin then hired African Professional Hunter David Ommanney to be their Winchester's Man in Africa, and followed up with a blistering advertising campaign to sell both rifles and ammunition. In a 10-pound rifle, it delivers 85 foot-pounds of kick. This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. To date, we've had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE.